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biscottibody59 - Thursday May 12, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


For my activity:
Tues: Walk 60 min
Wed: NordicTrack 11 min/1.1 mi; Walk 60 min

Glad some of you got a kick out of the Donovan nostalgia:-)

I'm going to take a break from here for awhile--I do that from time to time ya' know. I'll see you all around the corner--sooner or later;-) Take good care of yourselves and I wish you all ALL the best in your quest for fitness, health and weight loss!

Circuit Workouts/Wt Trng Scheduled/Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::************::5.12::  

Plan for today: NordicTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


56 oz Water * 7 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31

liza36 on 05/12/2011:
Don't be gone for long - will miss you! I wish you continued success!


Umpqua on 05/12/2011:
Take care and see you back here soon!


greengirl on 05/12/2011:
Take care Biscotti. We will miss you!


V on 05/13/2011:
:( You will be missed!!!



biscottibody59 - Tuesday May 10, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


For my activity: Walk 45 min

I weighed in. I'm not quite at the number above.

The honeymoon with my new scale is over. It seemed to be fine out of the box, but it's not weighing properly now. So "You get what you pay for!" was confirmed again--it was a free replacement except for the price of shipping the old one back.

I really only need just a plain jane scale, so I kinda know which one I'll get now. I realize this is slightly obsessive, but I don't see the point of any of this with a scale I can't believe. Get it, move on and don't think about it--like my last scale--then I can waste brain cells on something else haha!

So here's something for everyone in perimenopause and beyond: Fitness Tips for Menopause 

Oh, I almost forgot. Today is Donovan's birthday--he's 65! When I was in jr high or so, I just had to have one of his albums for the song, Intergalactic Laxative. "The intergalac-a-tic laxative will get you from here to Mars . . ." I don't think it was one of his chart toppers. Many of you may not even know who I'm talking about. Oh well:-)

Circuit Workouts/Wt Trng Scheduled/Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::**********::5.10::  

Plan for today: NordicTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


62 oz Water * 6 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31

hollybelle on 05/10/2011:
Good article. It is SO important to protect our BONES and keep our stregnth. Protect our JOINTS! Atrophy is not a pretty sight! LOL!


Umpqua on 05/10/2011:
You mean the guy they call Mellow Yellow? LOL. I don't blame you for wanting a plain scale that reads properly, I'd be annoyed too. Have a good one!


greengirl on 05/10/2011:
I remember Donovan. Hurdy Gurdy Man was my sister's favourite song at one time and she used to play it over and over again!! I can't believe he's 65, that's the same age as my hubby !! I read the fitness tips and although I'm well through the menopause it's still very relevant. I think I might try Tai Chi. I've got a beginners DVD somewhere

Have a good day Biscotti, it's a shame about the scales !


moogy on 05/10/2011:
Ah! the hurdie gurdie man, loved his songs when I was a teenager, so melodic!! Wouldn't it be nice if we could still get those scale with no batteries and just weighed with the weight on them???? Good job at being nearly at the posted weight. I have a little way to go yet to get to mine. Have a great day biscotti:)


~Moody~ on 05/10/2011:
Hmmm, not sure who Donovan is, but ya got me curious, so I think I'll check him out on Youtube! LOL

Hope your scale issues get resolved quickly. I have a digital scale that I've had for a few years, and I've never had any trouble with it~Wasn't too spendy either..Guess I got lucky!

Hope you had a great day!!


V on 05/10/2011:
???? LOL!!!!! Okay I have to ask..Is this song about explosive diarrea??? LOL!!! I am now going to google the song,"I'll be back" :)


V on 05/10/2011:
This dude Rocks!!! LOL :) Thanks for another side splitting laugh!!! Holy Sh!& (pun intended) LOL http://youtu.be/iab9YKocUcw


thinkpositive on 05/10/2011:
Good article. Thank you.I saw Barbara Edelstein's book on Amazon. I know what you mean about the scale thing. I think I've made peace with my scale.


h82bfat on 05/11/2011:
No - it's not obsessive. You have to find what you feel comfortable with, weather it be shoes, a pedometer, an eliptical or a scale! Hope you find one that YOU can rely on soon!



biscottibody59 - Monday May 09, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


For my activity: NordicTrack 24 min/2.5 mi; Walk 35 min

Circuit Workouts/Wt Trng Scheduled/Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::**********::5.10:: 

Plan for today: Walk


62 oz Water * 6.5 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31


biscottibody59 - Sunday May 08, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


Having two bathrooms ruined the capacity to cooperate. --Margaret Mead

For my activity:
Fri: NordicTrack 25 min/2.7 mi; Walk 40 min
Sat: Walk 40 min; Gathering tree limbs/Cutting saplings 75 min; Sawing limbs 15 min

Unfortunately I have a little bit more to go with the yard work. Yesterday's work was not as bad as it looks above--I took quite a few breaks. Still doing good resisting a few cravings and eliminating a couple of things for now. Gotta start somewhere.

Circuit Workouts/Wt Trng Scheduled/Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::**********::5.8:: 

Plan for today: NTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


62 oz Water * 5.5 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31g

greengirl on 05/08/2011:
hey Biscotti :-) The dietician went through options for regulating my blood glucose (ie eat something low GI at each meal so blood glucose rises and falls slowly) but she agrees that the best thing I can do to avoid the onset of diabetes is lose weight and exercise regularly. My doctor will be monitoring my blood sugar more closely now. It is worrying but at least I know what to do about it. I think the safest thing I can do is avoid cheese altogether !

Good for you resisting the cravings !!


thinkpositive on 05/08/2011:
I disagree with Margaret Mead- i think 2 bathrooms is the secret to a good marriage! At least it is for me! Where could I get more information on your diet?


moogy on 05/08/2011:
I am with thinkpositive, two bathroom are essential to a happy house. I disagree with MM for all sorts of reasons, but that's another story!!!! Nice to be out in the garden, getting it ready for the season ahead, good for you biscotti:)


mcwoo40 on 05/09/2011:
Thanks Biscotti,and you too :)


nemogirl on 05/09/2011:
The yard work sounds difficult, but I bet it's nice to workout outside, right? Who, by the way, is Margaret Mead?


Umpqua on 05/09/2011:
Thank you and I hope you are having a good one! I don't know how we would function with 1 bathroom ;P



biscottibody59 - Friday May 06, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


For my activity: Walk 10 min; Gathering tree limbs 20 min; Mowing 70 min; Cleanup 40 min

The Short: Got new scale. Weighs higher than the old one. Won't change wt above 'til I'm below 156.5 pounds. Cursed at the lawnmower several times. With a new scale on board, it's on to the fat loss show--Act XXXIX, Scene 1.

The Long: Got my new FREE scale yesterday, and I weigh more on it than my old one that the company took back. It's a body fat/water monitor too, though on first check yesterday it measures waaay more than my handheld Omron BF gadget--interesting. (I checked 'em one after the other.) I'll only use one of them from now on for the BF measurement. I'd like to eventually get my BF measurement using calipers--but for now I've got a long way to go. I'm nowhere near 25% BF (with any method) so this will be an enlightening journey--haha!

I'm happy with the accuracy of the new scale--quick checked it using a jug of water with my kitchen scale, which was accurate when I used actual check wts awhile ago--new scale weighs up from it a bit, but it's close enough for me. I'm not going to get THAT wrapped around the axle. Oh weight--er wait--I already have gotten that WAA (wrapped around the axle). The important thing is that it weighs the same getting off and on several times--won't have to do that again. So all the checking's done. I can move on with my life haha. Not having a scale I believe in could be hellatious on some level. Now it's all good--so glad to move on:-)

Time to lose. Time to resist a craving here and there and reset that particular part of my psyche--I've started and it hasn't killed me yet. I should be burning down the weight/fat loss house! We'll see how long this attitude lasts.

I won't change my weight above 'til I'm at least 156.4#--this new scale weighs in 0.1 pound increments--my old one weighed in 0.5 pound increments.

I wonder how many calories are burned by vigorous, nasty, angry cursing--abt a half-dozen times--at a lawnmower;-) If I were still going to confession--what penance would the priest give me for my sin--is it even a sin to curse at a lawnmower?

Circuit Workouts/Wt Trng Scheduled/Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::**********::5.6:: 

Plan for today: NTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


73 oz Water * 6 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31g

KathyBlue on 05/07/2011:
I thought, for a few secs, that you were on Facebook's group because Nancy (ThinkPositive) had posted a very similar text about getting a new scale and how it was showing a higher weight. LOL... looks like the scales have to be trained!!!! :) "Time to resist a craving here and there" --> good, if it's emotional. I could resist yesterday, and this week's going well so far. It paid me off quickly, too. I'm happy! :) Have a nice weekend, my teenager friend, hehehe. :) I have to come up with something new instead of this old "teenager" word, have to check the thesaurus online for synonyms. DO NOT GIVE AWAY SUGGESTIONS! :) Wanna get there alone, you'll see... I'll be calling you names soon... :-)


thinkpositive on 05/07/2011:
Yes, that was my posting about the scale reading higher. I feel your pain. Same here- won't post until the scale reads lower. I guess we shouldn't be so chained to a darn scale, but that's the reward we're loking for- to see it reading lower. Good luck!


hollybelle on 05/07/2011:
I have burned many calories in my day cursing machinery that didn't work.....sorry for frustrations. Resisting cravings - yes-me, too!


greengirl on 05/07/2011:
I can still remember my husband buying me a new set of scales for my wedding anniversary in 2006 (he always was romantic ! NOT!)and how devastated I was when they wiped out two weeks weightloss or something !! I was gutted! You have all my sympathy but I know you have more sense than to let this disappoint you for long :-)


V on 05/07/2011:
That D@#m lawnmower!! Yes that is considered cardio :) LOL I am sure that your plan to tackle this will work for you :) have a good one!!


h82bfat on 05/07/2011:
Gosh - remember those old school scales, where you couldn't even tell what it really said? You could be off by POUNDS in either direction! Good lord, don't sneeze while you're standing on the thing - it'd take 5 minutes for the line to stop moving!! When I got my first digital scale & it showed me my weight down to the decimal point, well - it was a happy yet sad day! ;c) But... I know it speaketh the truth!


moogy on 05/07/2011:
I believe yelling at the lawnmower burn 220 calories for every half an hour, especially is you are trying to start it at the same time or meandering around the garden fuming!!!!!! Nice to have a new scale, funny woman, so glad all your 'checks' worked out. Just slightly OCD but nothing out of the ordinary round here!!!! LOL Have a great rest of the weekend biscotti:)



biscottibody59 - Thursday May 05, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


Never saw off the branch you are on, unless you are being hanged from it. --Stanislaw Lec

For my activity:
Tues: NordicTrack 34 min/3.4 mi; Walk 10 min
Wed: NordicTrack 24 min/2.5 mi; Walk 35 min; Gathering tree limbs 20 min

Yesterday I was operating on abt 4 hours sleep and managed to get in a good NTrack stint and a decent walk later on. The little sleep I got must've been quality sleep--with CPAP of course. At any rate I didn't crash 'til fairly late in the evening. And it was pretty normal, not really a "crash crash" at all.

Have a lovely day!

Circuit Workouts/Wt Trng Scheduled/Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::**********::5.5:: 

Plan for today: NTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


73 oz Water * 7 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31g

lifestylechange on 05/05/2011:
You are so active... You are amazing!! :) Have a lovely day!


KathyBlue on 05/05/2011:
aaaa, 4 hours! I hope you can have a good sleep tonight. Sometimes I sleep on Sunday afternoons. I normally fall asleep around 4 pm and wake up the next day :P


liza36 on 05/05/2011:
At least the 4 hours were good sleep. I, however, would not have functioned well on that. Have a great day.


Supercheese on 05/05/2011:
HA i agree with liza...no way could i function on 4 and it amazes me that I have done it for the past week. Great job on the workouts though!


~Moody~ on 05/05/2011:
Great workout on only 4 hours of sleep~Must have been quality sleep indeed!

Hope you have a wonderful day!


V on 05/05/2011:
LOL!!! I love how you sneak in hilarious quotes and comments as well...I am crying over here, you are a TRIP!!! LOL Thanks YOU :)


moogy on 05/05/2011:
I don't know how you get through your days on such little sleep. I suspect that there is a little of the superwoman in you. I need my ten hours or there is one cranky nana upstairs!!! LOL I suspect that my husband sawed of the branch he was sitting on!!!! LOL


Billy1974 on 05/06/2011:
Great job on the nordi trac! I understand about the sleep I get 4-6 hours a day myself have a great day!


greengirl on 05/06/2011:
Hope you have managed to get some more sleep in !!


greengirl on 05/06/2011:
i forgot to mention that I have been watching the videos on dlife.com, in particular the ones about nutrition. I have found them absolutely fascinating. thanks for pointing me in the right direction. There was a very interesting one where a man with pre-diabetes was interviewed who managed to turn around his blood glucose with diet and exercise. i'm trying my best for a similar outcome :-)



biscottibody59 - Tuesday May 03, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


For my activity: NordicTrack 49 min/5.1 mi; Walk 20 min

My eating has been absolutely horrendous--I think it's time to let up on my digestive system--my whole body for that matter. I'm not having any issues, which is a welcome difference from just about a year ago. I really have to dig deep to remember the horrible shape I was in--I did note it in my diary--it was a particularly frustrating time.

I still have no clue what it was, in case you're interested. Once it began to improve, my dr theorized that it may have been gallbladder related--no history there so far. At any rate, I can eat anything today, and that's the problem. I've continued to test it and test it 'til I'm blue in the gills;-) I think the testing phase can end, once and for all. (I think this is about the half-dozenth time I've written that in the last few months--haha!)

Having said all that--I have noticed some issues with corn products (of all things). I haven't nailed down how much/which products I can eat 'til it gives me a problem, but I know on days that I eat nothing at all with corn, I have no problem. The food sensitivity thing wasn't anywhere on my radar until recently, and while it's good to notice these things, I don't have anything concrete to go on--it's simply a hunch--better than nothing in the grand scheme.

So I weighed in on the borrowed scale--it's just about the number above give or take a half-pound. (I have been adjusting to match the old scale, so it's not exact.) I should be getting my replacement for the old one sometime this week, so I'll weigh in when I get it or on Saturday for sure and start going with whatever that number is--no more adjusting. Change is good!

My Weekly Goal: at least 2 hrs activity daily.
Mon: goal not made; will probably make up for it with yard work as I go along--that wasn't the plan.

Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::*********::5.3::

Plan for today: NTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


84 oz Water * 7.5 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31g

Billy1974 on 05/03/2011:
Thanks for the tips, good luck on finding out about the food sensitivity, and with your goals.


KathyBlue on 05/03/2011:
Change is good. :) Aspartam: I know it's bad. I now use stevia, Nita sent me a pack some months ago. I really use it like if it was gold (because it's not available here), but it saved my day several times. But those non-fat, non-sugar yogurts are filled with aspartam and k-sulphate and other chemicals that create addiction (I believe they stimulate us to eat more) to them. I prefer soy yogurt with real sugar twice a week, or bio yogurt with dark sugars...


Maria7 on 05/03/2011:
Hope you feel better. Take care. :-)


~Moody~ on 05/03/2011:
Well it's good to hear that you're feeling better than you were~but sorry about the corn sensitivity~Hope you figure it out soon~

Wishing you a great day~


V on 05/03/2011:
Man I am sorry you are having issues :( Hoping that this can be resolved soon!! Please take care...


Umpqua on 05/04/2011:
Good for you for recognizing a bad pattern and nipping it in the bud. I hope today is a good one for you!


Em17 on 05/04/2011:
Fell better =)


liza36 on 05/04/2011:
I can relate to the horrendous eating. Why do we do that to ourselves, I wonder. Oh well, back on track. Hope you have a great day.


moogy on 05/04/2011:
It will be good if and when you can nail down what causes you to have a reaction. I hope that you have a better few days ahead of you:)


V on 05/05/2011:
I hope today is better for you :)



biscottibody59 - Monday May 02, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


For my activity:
Sat: NordicTrack 16 min/1.7 mi; Walk 40 min
Sun: Not much except housework/cleaning

My plan is to get at least 2 hrs activity daily this week.

Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::*********::5.2::

Plan for today: NTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


90 oz Water * 6 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31g

lifestylechange on 05/02/2011:
Have a great day!!!


Umpqua on 05/02/2011:
I hope you have a great day and week!


KathyBlue on 05/02/2011:
I strongly believe that housework and cleaning count as exercise! Two hours activity per day? What are your plans?


greengirl on 05/02/2011:
Good luck with your goals this week Biscotti. YOU can do it!!


Maria7 on 05/02/2011:
Thanks for your comment to me. I like your plan of 2 hours activity per day. I know you like to get out and work in the yard, too. I do, too. Hope you have a good day. :-D


~Moody~ on 05/02/2011:
Wishing you a wonderful day!!


V on 05/02/2011:
wonderful plan Biscotti!!!! I am sure you will rise to the challenge!!



biscottibody59 - Saturday Apr 30, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. --Alan Watts

For my activity:
Thur: NordicTrack 12 min/1.2 mi; Walk 35 min
Fri: NordicTrack 22 min/2.3 mi; Walk 35 min

Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::********::4.30::

Plan for today: NTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


84 oz Water * 6 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31g

KathyBlue on 04/30/2011:
Yes, the same here with the ice! It's late April AND it rarely happens, and even when it does, normally in a much smaller scale... We never have snow in Lisbon. Some 5 years ago it snowed a bit, everyone went crazy :-). It happens once in every 50 years, they say.

I joined the dance, wohoo! Love the quote. Have a perfect weekend, my teenager friend! ;-)


KathyBlue on 04/30/2011:
lol, I know :) Re: my man - it's an awkward situation because he's not unemployed, he just doesn't receive any payment because the company is unable to pay. But he religiously goes in everyday, stays there for 9 hours, works and in addition he has to keep up mentally in a war ambient. Yesterday he managed to cool a colleague down, the dude was an inch away to punch the boss (company owner) on the face... :S Very difficult, but in Portugal, apparently one has to have 3 months (in a row) salary not paid to be able to quit the contract and get into unemployment fund. If he quits now (he has "only" two salaries missing, one for February and one now in May), he doesn't have the right to go to unemployment and has to give 2 months to the company (working for more two months) because it's the only way to break the contract he signed 7 years ago.


moogy on 04/30/2011:
I won't dance, I don't have to, I won't dance, I don't want to!!!!!!! Hope you are having a good weekend biscotti:)


h82bfat on 05/01/2011:
Does constant tap dancing count?! ;c)


mcwoo40 on 05/02/2011:
Have a good week :)



biscottibody59 - Thursday Apr 28, 2011
(Woman Doctor's Diet for Women (WDDFW) ::Modified::)
Weight: 156.5

Body Fat: 33.8%::3.8; 34.0%::4.20
Start: 189 (June 2001)
Low: 150 (Nov 2006)
Current BMI=27.7


For my activity: Short Walk

I only estimated calories--probably over by 200. Went to bed quite early, there's no way in hell I could've done my wt trng. Just as well--I feel quite refreshed today.

Done: ::2.21-4.2 (13 in a row)::********::4.28::

Plan for today: NTrack, Walk, Circuit Workout


56 oz Water * 7.5 hrs Sleep
RMR = 1286 * Calorie Goal = 1428 * Fat Goal = 31g

KathyBlue on 04/28/2011:
I had to look up the word "dimples" in the dictionary. :) Good, there's always something to learn on the way. :D


greengirl on 04/28/2011:
hey Biscotti, glad you are feeling refreshed today. That's half the battle fought !! As regards THE wedding, i will be watching it with my older sisters who are quite supportive of the royal family. i will be interested to see the dress Kate picks but to be honest the average man in the street over here couldn't care less about it. The big thing for me is that the government declared tomorrow a bank holiday in honour of the wedding, so I get an extra days hols tomorrow with pay. YAHOO !! I'm all for that :-)


thisisit on 04/28/2011:
Hm, so I guess I have to take it easy with the exercise for a while. I guess this is the time for me to start swimming as exercise or doing more yoga. Sucks, I really wanted to jump rope.


~Moody~ on 04/28/2011:
Sometimes getting that extra sleep makes all the difference..Refreshed is a good thing to be!


moogy on 04/28/2011:
I am glad you are feeling refreshed and ready for another day. Have you come up with a new challenge for yourself yet?


V on 04/28/2011:
:)


moogy on 04/28/2011:
The Royal Wedding is being broadcast live from 5pm this Friday afternoon, goes for about four hours. I know my daughter and her best friend are watching together but using the phone to connect and comment (mainly on fashion). I am not sure I could stand that much pomp and circumstance for four hours!!! Even though the commentator is a well known celebrity and is an absolute hoot!!! If I get bored I might just turn on for a laugh:) I shall eagerly await the announcement of your new challenge:))


YellowDress on 04/29/2011:
Thank you very much for your comment and story about men on DD ;)


KathyBlue on 04/30/2011:
Yes, the same here with the ice! It's late April AND it rarely happens, and even when it does, normally in a much smaller scale... We never have snow in Lisbon. Some 5 years ago it snowed a bit, everyone went crazy :-). It happens once in every 50 years, they say.



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