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Coffee&Calories - Wednesday Apr 07, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 0.0

It's interesting. Yesterday, my brain started to play little tricks on me..like "how about just counting to 1600 cals every day, do not go over, start walking more" like reasonable, supposedly easy goals. Suddenly the idea of restriction chokes me and I can't do it anymore. I start to eat extra stuff, I stop counting calories and it just goes off the deep end as I dig into Easter candy.

I started reading a book called Thin side out: How to have your cake and your skinny jeans too. While I am not sure I can totally do an intuitive eating approach (she calls it Hunger Directed Eating), certain things really resonate with me. She talks of Non-Hunger Eating Like, "eating cuz you ate". You go a little overboard at dinner, or have a couple of the kids cookies, think you've blown it and then keep going because you can start again tomorrow. I do this all the time. I don't remember how I used to not be like this when I happily maintained.   Apparently this isn't to do with food specifically, it also happens with gambling, shopping, drugs, alcohol, where a small infraction can make you binge. Anyways, it seems the people who don't use food to cope engage in something called task-oriented coping. They take direct action to deal with problems. The focus on solving. People who use food to cope engage in emotion-oriented avoidant coping behaviours. Yup, I often soothe myself with food because I don't want to deal with the problem (I sorta struggle with anxiety) so I focus my efforts on changing my feelings. Temporarily, junk food can make you feel better!

Anyways, today I somehow decided to try a 1200 cal diet one more time, which promptly almost backfired after lunch. I had an extra protein bar, and going over my allotment sent me wanting to binge. I stopped myself, and remembered why maybe I need to just stick to my original plan. 

Donkey on 04/08/2021:
I've been chewing on your recent writings. Oh how I can relate to the feeling of being restricted. I too used to rebel against this feeling. I'm not sure how I got over it, but I know that I have overcome that feeling and the anxiety it caused.

Having said that, I realize that if I want to lose the last 10 pounds again, I will need to cut back, and I just can't seem to do that right now. I'm doing quite well at maintaining.

What I have learned in this journey is that our struggles are temporary, and they change over time. So what was hard at one time may become easier at a later time, sometimes so gradually that we don't even notice we're changing.


Maria7 on 04/08/2021:
Yes, but only temporarily, does junk food make you feel better...cause after you consume it, you know you gotta pay the price when you get on the scale. Smile!

horn_of_plenty on 04/09/2021:
love the name of the book, "how to have your cake and skinny jeans too!"

like donkey may have said about herself??, i also have been a HUGE emotional eatiner...may write more later, back to work..

KathyBlue on 04/10/2021:
The 1200 sounds too low. 1600 sounds just about right.. Emotional eating is a very serious thing, I went through everything related to that, binge eating disorder, compulsive eating, and ultimately over-exercising and anorexia, too. They say mindfulness helps, and normally if the person heals the root of the problem (there's always a psychological motive behind these kinds of behaviors), full recovery is possible.. For me the solution came in an unexpected way, I was diagnosed with ADHD and OCD, and got medicated for it. Now I am more conscious and balanced in that sense, I don't do emotional / frustration eating anymore somehow, I still have those feelings but somehow food is not the solution anymore, I can think clear and focus on efficient problem solving most of the days...

Donkey on 04/10/2021:
^ I too thought that maybe 1200 was too low. ????

Horn_of_plenty on 04/11/2021:
similarly with others comments above, personally the last time i tried a 1200 cal diet was more at the beginning and most volatile points in my own diet history. i couldn't stick with it - too low.

next, i have also gotten out of a lot of my high calorie binging, but, i still use food to cope a little bit, but i have figured out how to do it more moderately. for instance, carbs are my friend, they do make me feel good, but i have figured out ways to include them more moderately and then use veggies as a volume filler in my meals. i drink seltzers sweetened with stevia and also low calorie kombuchas to help me...

...so i help myself thru my needs with eating...and try my best to eat to feel ok as well as eat to be satisfied so i am not necessarily binging like i used to.

Horn_of_plenty on 04/11/2021:
and that's right, it was a very difficult process to move thru. like i tell you, it took me YEARS.

bearcountrygg on 04/15/2021:
When the time is right you will be laser focused.....it will happen.

Coffee&Calories - Monday Apr 05, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 0.0

Hello friends!

I saw after the fact that a few of you posted some comments on last entry. Thank you for the encouragement! 

I think what happens is I stop doing well, often the same day I post, and then I feel stupid to have to report that, so I don't post for awhile. I've been doing a little "diet soul searching" and came to a conclusion. I've been to this conclusion many times before but never made much out of it. Like HoP said, I am trying to eat too few calories. I guess the problem was that no matter what I did I kept screwing up over and over and over..to the tune of being at the same weight give or take a few lbs going on 3 years. I succumb to the'I'll start over' mentality every day just about. Many times I have thought before, if I am going to be 120 anyways, shouldn't I at least have some sanity then. I don't want to be 120. But I am also unable to move it. I think this is where I stand now. My only goal is to not binge/say screw it and start overeating/start over tomorrow and stop counting etc. THAT IS MY ONLY GOAL. From much trial and error with dieting over the decades, I know that I do like counting calories and it's easy for me. I have gotten into My Fitness Pal and it is really does make it easy to calculate. If I set any kind of rules to my eating, it always always backfires. It triggers something in my brain. So, there is no fail other than the what-the-hell effect type behaviour. Ideally, I want to keep my calories under 2000, because that seems to be an average amount for females and I know I definitely am not averging that, so it would be progress. I'm not sure I have much choice anyways. I am not losing weight the way it stands, despite my most earnest attempts. What's the bothering me the most these days is this feeling of out of control behaviour. If I get this licked I think i would be tremendously happier with myself. So, that's where things stand. I started this mentality over the easter weekend, and once I thought of it mid-party LOL I stopped with the constant picking at food. I did normal yesterday. I actually went to bed feeling empty and normal. Around 1700 calories. 

I am trying to eat when I am hungry, have what I want, and just remember NO BINGING. That is my focus and I think the only thing that will make any difference for me. SO far, I feel infinitely better. Maybe even start doing a little workout eventually. 


Jacky82020 on 04/05/2021:
So you’re at 120? How tall are you? That’s a good weight for most heights! I’m under 5’1”, so prefer to go lower, back to my college weight and that of younger years,

coffee&calories on 04/05/2021:
I’m very short, like 5’2 - 5’3...more like 5’2 as I’ve got a curved spine which has made me shorter :-/ I really thought I looked and get best at 112ish

Jacky82020 on 04/05/2021:
That’s still bigger than me! LOL You should be able to get back to 112. Are you able to exercise? I spend hours on my stationary bike & treadmill, & do sissy weightlifting. We have a really nice home gym. The husband is totally into it.

coffee&calories on 04/05/2021:
I really should do it...I have no excuse because we have a home gym that hubby uses to weight lift and a treadmill too...sometimes I mess up my back when I start doing ab workout videos etc but I should just start slowly. I need to make the time. I never seem to have the energy!

Jacky82020 on 04/05/2021:
Yeah, it’s an effort. Didn’t you say you have little kids? Twins?

bearcountrygg on 04/05/2021:
I know what you mean...I also self sabotage....The only time that pre-planning works for me is when I am willing to forego immediate gratification (food)...for a longer range goal...I'm not always in the right frame of mind for that.

Donkey on 04/06/2021:
To have a binge-free day is quite a noble goal. I've done that in the past, too, coming off of huge binge cycles. It can be done, and YOU can do it!

One day at a time, one meal at a time, one step at a time... Be gentle with yourself.

horn_of_plenty on 04/06/2021:
hello, hello! we will always support you! and yes, check back for comments! :)

i encourage you to try not to feel as if we are judging you when you fall short on your goals or backslide. I have done that too many times to count myself! I can only relate. And some here for everyone, we are all in the same boat as you, just at different Islands, as Maria here likes to say. We are all at different points in the journey, but we are on the journey with you.

now i'm only at your second or third line, and yes, when you try to eat too little (or for me, when i try that), it completely doesn't work at all. i set myself up for failure. this is why i do not like to compare "my diet" with anyone else - because i know that while others can restrict more than I, I know that I cannot keep that up for long and it hurts me. So i do the diet journey alone, rather than with competition.

but the good thing is, you were only gaining/losing 3 pounds, like 5 pounds, we'll say (you said). and that is good because it means you are starting to see what you need to do to maintain...and you are closer to maintenance. the bigger the fluctuations, like 10 lbs up and down, is harder to moderate than moving past a plateau of 3 lbs if you gather what i mean.

for a long while i was at a plateau approx 5-10 lbs more than i weigh now. it took me an entire year to move thru it, because as you know in order to lose weight for GOOD, something needs to change. and it took me a year to make the change...and then i have kept it off since Spring of 2016, with small fluctuations just within a few pounds of the 115 goal in that spring 2016. of course i fluctuate, but like you do - when i reach 3 pounds for sure higher, i start to realize i must shift back...and lose what i have gained, but in a way that it stays off...and it takes me several months to lose 3 lbs. it's not overnight by any means. it's hard work. because that is maintenance. maintenance is harder than losing at first, because it's not exciting on the scale, you are no longer losing and excited by the scale's momentum. you just have to want it.

i do agree with your 2000. and i do agree that 1700 is prob the lowest you'll need to go. You will lose a little, slowly, if you do several days of 1700.

if i do a week of 1700, i will lose a little as well.

Personally, i cannot even do a straight 7 days of 1700...so, just know that if you are under 2,000 it's prob helping you lose, if you eat 2000, you will not gain, and there's no reason to eat so slow that it causes you to backslide...

horn_of_plenty on 04/06/2021:
Donkey offers excellent advice, above.

Maria7 on 04/06/2021:
Seems like once we get started or give in, it becomes easier to have some more of the food we want, doesn't it?

legcramps on 04/06/2021:
2,000 is a great goal, and an achievable one. Start somewhere, and make small steps! You've got this!

Coffee&Calories - Thursday Mar 25, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 121.0

Hello Everyone!

Terribly sorry for just disappearing every so often! Thing are just BUSY lol. Work has picked up a ton (I just supply teach, but for a decade was a full time teacher until I quit to raise my 3). My twins turn 5 on the weekend. Can't even believe it. I am planning a party with just a little family. We are behind on vaccines in Canada, but it looks like my moms age group is finally coming up - relief. 

Weight wise....yeeahhh....Not good. Too much to explain, but I was just going down a bad path and feeling so stressed. My husband told me to forget the DietBet, he doesn't care at all about the money..just move on. It was no good at all for my mental health. It took a looooong while to actually accept truly 100% that i wouldnt keep trying to make the goal. I am finally at the point where I un-doubtedly know it was causing me to do WORSE. The money is already gone and not missed. Time to just focus on lasting changes. The problem has been I don't know what to do anymore - nothing works. No matter what "plan" it is - even just counting calories at a normal maintenance range, I'll giveup and start overeating. Yeah, it's bad. For whatever reason, I maintain my weight at 120ish regardless of the overeating. I tried to just accept being here, but that hasn't worked either. 

I am going back to what worked very well for awhile, but just be less strict. Only eating at mealtimes, counting the calories in them. Weekends can be higher. Mistakes will happen and just keep, keepin' on. In recent times, when I just have my limit of say 1600, I have been getting close to my limit and then just having a "what-the-hell" moment where I stop counting and snack, snack, snack. I tend to snack all day too, if I am not very highly focused on meals. So, I think this way is better for me, at the current mind state I'm in.

I kind of like my general rule of 300,400,500. Only 1200 calories but leaves wiggle room for error, walking to get a random ice cream or donut after dinner when hubby happens to come home early,  plus i need to factor in weekends which are usually heavier. Hopefully, there might be some success in this. 

Work until noon, then off to get party stuff done!

Breakfast: my mom made fresh veggie/bean soup (100), egg mixed with egg whites (110), avocado (70), spray oil (20) = 300

Lunch: bagel 200, deli meat 85, veg 10, half protein bar 100 = 395

Dinner: soup 50, yogurt with sf pudding powder & coconut whip 150, oatmeal 120, chocolate 150, fruit 30 = 500

And that's it folks. Finally a good day. Dinner was stress eating, but managed to not binge..still need to cook for husband. 

Jacky82020 on 03/25/2021:
Welcome back! Like the 300/400/500

coffee&calories on 03/25/2021:
Thank you <3

bearcountrygg on 03/25/2021:
What you describe I think all of us have experienced too. I think being stressed makes it harder.

coffee&calories on 03/25/2021:
Nice to feel understood xo

Donkey on 03/26/2021:
It's nice that you had an objective voice tell you to let go of the Diet Bet. I can't imagine the pressure that would place on a person to succeed. That is to say, that kind of pressure can be VERY GOOD, but it can also turn very quickly into something not very good, too.

I'm so glad you posted today!

horn_of_plenty on 03/26/2021:
1200 cals a day is LOW, very LOW. that's the amount for a sedentary, hardly moving person.

add snacks in between those meals. a snack can be a fruit or a chocolate or two an hour before your meal. so, before dinner, an hour before, add in both a drink (like seltzer or tea) and a snack. this will help you feel like you aren't so weak and hungry before meals.

make sure one meal has extra, extra veggies like dinner if you stress eat. do takeout of cooked vegggies if you can't get it all cooked on your own.

horn_of_plenty on 03/26/2021:
also, i hate things like Diet Bet as when i see people losing fast, i just don't agree with it - because, for me, i know how hard it is to lose weight from experience, and, have never kept it off from losing it quickly.

Diet bet caters to people who gain and lose like a see saw and is not healthy.

horn_of_plenty on 03/26/2021:
just remind yourself you are also in it for health, not just money lost for a diet bet. health is many times more important than a small monetary loss.

someone i work with just passed away... a heart attack....he had a big waistline.

i actually said to myself not too long ago how he's so lucky he could be a little bigger and not have a heart attack, as a big belly is a huge sign of potential to have one.

legcramps on 03/29/2021:
I hope your new plan is going well!

Maria7 on 03/29/2021:
Hope you are having a good day!

Coffee&Calories - Friday Feb 26, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 121.0

I don't know how a couple weeks have already passed since i posted. My weight is pretty much holding constant - sigh. I did do really well for a week or so, then things usually crack and I am right back where I started. I've tried moderate, I've tried severe and always end up back in the same place. Ah, well. What else is there to do but keep moving forward right!? I decided to not worry about this months weigh in for Diet Bet. I am gearing up to just hopefully make it by the end.

Recently, this has had the most consistent adherence: 300 cals for Breakfast, 400 for lunch, 500 for dinner = 1200. I find if I just eat when I'm hungry and add it up throughout the day, I'm always looking for something to pick at. A little of this, little of that. It works great for maintenance, but I just can't lose doing it. 

Yesterday I re-started this and did great. I am supply teaching today and it's Friday so everything is looking up :) Now to be patient...and most importantly, consistent!

Breakfast: 300
Pure Protein Bar- peanut butter chocolate flavour (so good, my fav one so far) (200) + Yogurt (100) = 300

Lunch: 400
Spaghetti squash mixed with pasta sauce, sour cream, franks hot sauce and broiled with mozzarella. Loved this super tasty. 200
Crispy Minis dill flavour 90
Black starbucks french roast with 2 Enjoy Life Gingerbread cookies (110) 

Dinner: TBD

horn_of_plenty on 02/26/2021:
Great calorie counted and mix of protein and veggie foods.

great use of the spaghetti squash, anther thing i could make again in the future!!!! lunch sounds AMAZING.

coffee&calories on 02/26/2021:
Thanks HOP!

Jacky82020 on 02/26/2021:
Keep me on playing and you’re bound to win!

You’re doing good! Lots of tasty healthy food.

coffee&calories on 02/26/2021:
Haha this darned game is a curse what was I thinking lol

Jacky82020 on 02/27/2021:
haha. C’est la vie.

Donkey on 02/27/2021:
I'm kind of where you're at, only 20 pounds heavier. Alls I can say is, KEEP TRYING! I'm trying too. We can do this together :-)

coffee&calories on 02/27/2021:
Thank you Donkey! I had a horrific binge yesterday afternoon and felt so hopeless. Today is better :)

horn_of_plenty on 03/02/2021:
love how you had a couple cookies alongside your lunch, very moderate!

Maria7 on 03/02/2021:
We each have our own routines of what works best for us. Hope you are having a good day.

Coffee&Calories - Tuesday Feb 09, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 120.8

 I have been very busy. Kids are back at school and while that's good, it's an adjustment. My oldest was crying and not happy, while a really great kid usually, she's been more difficult the last couple days. This will pass but it's taking up a lot of my energy. Twins are being dolls, though.

Luckily I have really felt in the zone with my eating. WHen I feel like this, I really have to capitalize on it. I have come to the realization that eating at a deficit isn't forever, and I'm not totally convinced losing at a snails pace is any better than just getting the damn thing over with lol. I'm aiming for 1200-1400 calories and will see how it goes. 

grannyannie on 02/09/2021:
Kids are really stressed now, as we all are.

I try for 1200-1300 normally and one or two higher cal days weekly.

horn_of_plenty on 02/09/2021:
oh, that's cool that we are alike in the you are a "solo," independent person too in regards to diet and lifestyle somewhat (i just reread your comment from your 2/4 entry below!) :)

at least 2 out of the 3 kids are doing ok back at school and i'm sure your oldest will feel better soon!

losing at a snails pace works...that pace would be a 1/2 lb to a pound a week for you...prob more like a 1/2 lb per week...

even if you up your cals to 1500-1600, if you are doing some moderate exercise, you will still lose.

Maria7 on 02/10/2021:
I know what you mean about just get it over with to get to goal weight, instead of working at it a little at a time...something I have been considering, too.

Coffee&Calories - Thursday Feb 04, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 120.0

On Wednesday I had a great, low calorie day (around 1300). I followed HOP's advice on the veggies and it worked amazingly. Not hungry at all, and felt great. Then ugh, yesterday morning I was extra hungry, so a little of this, a little of that after breakfast led me on a slippery slope to BINGE-VILLE. It was an epic binge day. This is weird because I've never really binged like this. Generally, when I say "binge" I just mean I overate. But recently I'm experiencing actual binging where I feel out of control and eat despite no hunger. I am pretty positive this is brought on by the DIet Bet challenge. I feel all this pressure to meet the goals that I do the opposite. My husband can't understand that lol. This was either a big mistake, or a necessary evil to get myself to wake up and find a way to lose weight once and for all. I've been trying the moderate way for about 3 years now with no success. I suppose maintaining is a success in its own right, but it's so frustrating when you want to lose those infamous last ten pounds. 

So here I am hopeful,but worried, the pattern will repeat itself. One good day, one bad day. I was supposed to spend the month doing Bright Line Eating (with my own modifications) and I have yet to spend one day doing it. I find a reason in the morning that it's a better idea to just count calories, then I can eat anything I want at any time I want. This worked for a number of years for me, but at this age and stage of my life it's just not anymore for whatever reason.

I actually lost the chunk of my weight many years ago (maybe 13?) by only eating three meals a day, no snacking. It was very easy and I didn't even do it consistently - went from like 140ish to 114-118 and never strayed again.  It was no effort because my habits took care of everything. There was no "should i, shouldn't I?" Everything was pretty much summed up in one question "Is it mealtime?" and then I just didn't think about food or calories. I think that's why BLE (bright line eating) is so appealing. It's what I used to do, but with more boundaries and healthier food. If left without some rules I tend to eat high carb, low calorie, always hungry.

Anyways, just getting my thoughts out of my head. I think I know what I need to do, even if I don't want to do it. 


Jacky82020 on 02/04/2021:
Yep, certain vegetables are the mainstay of my diet. Cook cabbage & onions and the frozen Burgandy Blend. Has broccoli, carrots, cauliflower and 2 types squash. Slathered in hot sauce! Like spinach too.

coffee&calories on 02/04/2021:
I am realizing that veggies will be the key to my success

Jacky82020 on 02/04/2021:
Yep, plant based diets are the best. I do lots of soybeans in addition to the vegetables occasionally chicken & salmon, cooked plainly in the microwave

Donkey on 02/04/2021:
Oh I'm sorry - I struggle with binge eating from time to time. The difference, to me, is that overeating is usually related to hunger or wanting to prolong a meal (with my family), and binge eating is using food to calm an emotional feeling.

I admit I wasn't familiar with BLE, so I looked it up. Very interesting! Fundamentally, I think she's got the right idea. However, for me, when I'm working, I need to have a mid-morning and mid-afternoon snack. (Also, I'm not a fan of having something different for breakfast every day. A LOT of diet programs do that for some odd reason.)

Don't let this bump in the road define your journey! You've had quite a bit of success already - keep moving forward!

coffee&calories on 02/05/2021:
Donkey, yes yes yes regarding prolonging a meal - that's me (vs. binging for psychological reasons). Sometimes I just need snacks too. The hard part for me is when snacking transitions into overeating, and then I lose track and say to hell with counting today..bad cycle. As for BLE, you don't have to make something different everyday, I think she actually encourages plain, simple food that's the same most days.I havent adopted the plan in its entirety but I do find the ideas relevant to me.

grannyannie on 02/04/2021:
I sometimes binge and eat even though I'm not hungry. Sugar can be nonstop.

Most days I have a big salad for lunch - very filling. 6 vegetables, cheddar cheese (full fat), and chicken breast or some other protein.

coffee&calories on 02/05/2021:
I have started having a similar salad many days. It makes a great lunch!

Horn_of_plenty on 02/04/2021:
when you are actual-bingeing...it's your body saying you deprived it on the other days too much...your body will *always* let you know it...that it's not happy with you for the deprivation...the only way to binge less is to not dip so low in cals the other days...the more you pratice and get better at knowing what your body needs, the less you will binge this way...

diet bet with all the restrictions is adding to the calorie decrease and your body just didn't like it..or your mind...but either way, i'm glad the veggies helped!

i cannot compete with others, actually. i feel that pressure and it hurts me, mentally...

few years ago, there was those diets with no sugars, no carbs, no alcohol, no dairy...basically just veggies and protein...no good...a couple friends that i wasn't close with, from high school, asked if i wanted to do it with them, i told them no thanks!...i hate the competitivity because i feel like it's too much and i'd rather just be happier competing against myself for the long run...

...that's just me, though. there are people that do better in groups..they join running groups or art groups or other activites, but i'm a solo person because then i can just do things at my convenience. sometimes i miss the group spirit, but not often enough!

if you find Brite Line not to work for you, think what you can change to make it work, what you can alter to make it for you....not every diet is for every person. you need to find, thru some trial and error, what is best for you.

I have lots of memories of bingeing, so i can relate 100%. years of it. and i understand the mental struggle and i know how it feels when you try so hard and then get derailed. i understand how upsetting it can be, too! and many people who aren't bingers, do not get it, i know !!

coffee&calories on 02/05/2021:
I agree about the binging stemming from deprivation 100%. The DietBet doesn't seem like a good idea anymore. Not sure how it will play out, but the pressure isnt helping how I thought it would. But one thing, you don't compete against others, just yourself. You only have to meet your own goals. I am like you, I am a solo person :)

Coffee&Calories - Monday Feb 01, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 120.0

So the weekend...Saturday was great, until dinner...I ate a little too much and felt quite full. It seemed that feeling "triggered" me so to speak. I tried to reason with myself that it's a totally reasonable amount, but after a couple of restricted days it felt like way too much, and then my brain started teasing me with some dessert, and I snacked afterwards too. Not exactly a binge, but sort of. I weighed in on Sunday at 120. Then, Sunday was a bit stressful and I just went off the rails. This was a binge. Yikes, clearly not a good path to do down. I should say this has been a lifelong problem, so it's not started recently or anything. The problem is I really just want to be back at my happy weight by this spring/summer and stay there forever. My problem has always been losing weight, not maintenance. I just need to get there and not stray from what works!! (which is what led me to this point - I started thinking calories don't count bc of some vegan channels that said eat as much as you want and they'd be munching on 3000 calories daily. I know, eyeroll).

So here I am Monday morning, staring into this long week and more lockdown and more e-learning with 3 little kids...gosh, mind, don't think too far ahead. I just need to get through today. Of course I've been contemplating diets of some sort, but I know deep down I just need to learn moderation. I need to approach my calorie goal and not feel like I've screwed up and just eat whatever. I have this trigger where if it's before dinner and say I've eaten 1000 or more, I feel like it's not enough for the rest of the day and start overeating. Has anybody else done this, and how did you get over it?

I want a great February, moderate, reasonable. But how do I deal with this brain of mine that likes to trick me? "Just start over tomorrow" etc...

Jacky82020 on 02/01/2021:
Sounds like a plan! Why don’t you have any type of graph displayed? Is there an option to not make them public? Most people here have the two.

coffee&calories on 02/01/2021:
Thanks Jacky! Not sure what graph you mean? Is this a weight graph? I’ll look at my settings, I’ve never seen this.

grannyannie on 02/01/2021:
I've been bingeing as well. Not sure of the trigger.

We've got to do better in Feb.

coffee&calories on 02/01/2021:
I’m sorry to hear you’ve been struggling as well, but it does help to feel less alone

Jacky82020 on 02/01/2021:
Hope you had a chance to read my reply to your questions before I deleted that day’s post. Basically I said losing ~20 pds in 5 months was not easy. Much calorie restriction and exercise. I was never big and fat enough to lose more than a pound a week.

Well, maybe if I only consumed 500 calories a day. But I try to do 1000 to 1200 a day. Mostly plant based and some fish, occasionally skinless chicken breast and Egg Beaters. Made a great frittata yesterday. Should try to calculate the calories. Big source will be the cheddar slices. Maybe next time I will use shredded mozzarella, lower in fat.

coffee&calories on 02/02/2021:
I’m not sure I saw the post but thank you for telling me again. I imagine that’s exactly what I would need to do. How did you find it doable? No binging?

Is there a reason to delete post, or is it just personal preference? still trying to learn the site a bit

Donkey on 02/01/2021:
OK, just throwing a couple of ideas out there:

What if you planned your calories for dinner ahead of time? So like first thing in the morning, you determine your menu and calculate your portions. So it wouldn't matter if you had 800 calories or 1100 calories before dinner, because dinner would be (for example), 450 calories and that's it.

Would calculating your calories at the end of the day, like Bear does, work?

You may find that you need to be very strict with your daily menu/calories for 1-3 weeks until you reach your goal, with NO deviations allowed. (Just another thought?)

coffee&calories on 02/02/2021:
I think your options are totally logical and make so much sense, but when I’ve tried enacting them I usually just don’t make it. Although not sure I’ve done the calculating at night only, might be worth trying. Your last option is likely something I have to 100%. Thanks so much for the feedback and ideas.

Donkey on 02/01/2021:
PS I struggle with this too. Had a sugar binge Saturday night because I was so upset at my weigh-in --- completely illogical, right? But there you go.

coffee&calories on 02/02/2021:
This is so relatable. I totally understand even though we look at ourselves going huh that makes no sense. I do it too.

Donkey on 02/01/2021:
PPS I also struggle with the self-isolating situation. I guess I'm fortunate that I don't have little ones in school, which I cannot even imagine handling that.

Jacky82020 on 02/01/2021:
C&C, look to the upper right of most people’s feeds and you will see 2 graphs. Some only have one because they deleted old posts. I lost two bars for August & September by deleting all posts for those months. In the future I will keep a few from each month because I like the bar graph.

coffee&calories on 02/02/2021:
Ah! Now I see it! I’ve never noticed before. I think maybe I haven’t done enough posts yet, maybe just not enough data? I looked into my settings but it’s not set on private.

horn_of_plenty on 02/01/2021:
Def eye roll at the 3000 cal per day - no way unless a super athlete.

Yes I used to have tons of triggers that were basically the same as all the ones you have mentioned.

At my worst and my way of fixing it was bingeing on vegetables for many years ....I’d overdo it on veggies on purpose and so I’d be relatively full and I would still have some meat and later I added the carbs back in greatly because I realized I was bingeing on monster energy drinks bc I felt no energy from low carb meals.

To this day, I rely on veggies to help me.

But also, I drink liquids to help during the day, I do have carbs all day, and I keep my meat portions on the small side bc the amount of protein we need is minimal and everyone overdoes it and that means more calories for no reason. So I try not to overdo my protein and would rather overdo veggies. Sometimes it gives me has / bloating but it helps me not to overeat calories.

If you are struggling try to make a lot of extra veggies or do takeout of cooked, seasoned veggies often and eat them with both lunch and dinner. I’m talking 1.5 packed cups of veggies at the minimum with both meals. Fill yourself up on them and don’t feel bad. You will then feel full. And do have a some carbs and protein too.....any questions ask. I prefer cooked veggies than cold salads. Cooked is more appetizing but I do salads time and again too...

coffee&calories on 02/02/2021:
Thank you hop, I’ll definitely try to do this. I have in the past but maybe not a concerted enough effort. How do you not ever get the “screw it” feeling on a bad day, and not want to cook veggies and just binge on a carby high calorie snack food? This is where I can struggle :(

coffee&calories on 02/02/2021:
How do you cook them? Buy frozen or fresh? How much fat do you use in cooking, or just spray oil?

bearcountrygg on 02/02/2021:
I have had similar struggles in the last few years.....and i finally just decided to not put myself on a strict diet....( I apparently rebel against it...)...funny no rebellion in me when it comes to anything else. Maybe I just refuse to allow anything to come between me and my food...UGH...so I had to learn to be flexable....allow myself some food fits yet continue to lose too......that worked and I think it helped keep my metabolism guessing too......so it is what i continue to do......I can be so strict very easily for all other areas of my life.....my food is just non negotiable i guess.....my one thing that i almost refuse to control at times ( other times...I can control it well)......

Jacky82020 on 02/02/2021:
Never binge much, but usually atone for my sins the following day by more time on the treadmill. Think I’ve been overdoing it on the frozen fruit lately and need to cut back. Lots of carbs, some more than others.

horn_of_plenty on 02/02/2021:
I use a couple tablespoons of real olive oil to cook veggies as they are healthier and tastier that way. I used to use the spray oil low cal but I actually ruined a pan with it! So for my veggies and cooking it’s regular liquid olive oil. For baking just to make sure food doesn’t stick to the aluminum foil, I’ll use the spray though since I have it and with baking there’s usually a lot of fat added in the recipe anyways..

Yes, I do struggle if I haven’t cooked veggies already and they aren’t convenient to just grab with a meal....while back to work now, I have done tons of takeout of veggies from Thai restaurants nearby bc the sauces are thinner and much healthier than Chinese which is thick and glutinous sauce lol..... i have done in the past takeout of veggie salads like the light Israeli salad if you are familiar...takeout of even Chinese broccoli and sometimes I try to take off some of the heavy sauce, takeout if Indian food which has veggies like their okra bindi masala and also saag/palak spinach dish similar to creamed spinach, I find the veggies at any place when I do not want to cook so I usually have a little at home either that I cooked or bought prepared...and of coursei eat salads when I desire them which isn’t as much as I used to as I like cooked veggies more. I try not to leave myself up to the point of not having anything. I also have some frozen veggies like riced cauliflower with a light cheese sauce and regular cauliflower riced that I can turn into fried cauliflower “rice” which I can do maybe this month or next. All those veggies like squash can be turned to noodles or at least flavored so they aren’t borning... any and all flavorings are better on top of squashes and other veggies than on noodles. As long as it’s a veggie and not totally Smothered in cheese, I typical say it’s a good option !!

I don’t ALWAYS have cooked veggies at home, ready to eat, but when I feel a bit like I want a big meal, I try to work it out ....

And I like this new thing, a takeout Poke Bowl which has the raw sushi fish and I mostly use the healthier toppings and not too much dressing....

I know my go-to places and foods to make it work, most of the time.

In the past I struggled more, I learned more over time now to struggle less...by experiences like you have.

Maria7 on 02/03/2021:
Hope you have a good day.

Coffee&Calories - Saturday Jan 30, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 117.2

I couldn't believe it - 117.2 this morning. Then, my worst fear happened. My scale sometimes decides on a third weigh in to stubbornly pick a new weight. I was grabbing my camera to take a pic, and it decided at that point to say 118! Holy crap what! It decided to bounce around and then stay on 117.6 - 0.1 more than I needed. I went back to bed since I woke at 5, played on my phone a bit...when lo and behold I weighed again couple hours later and my scale went back to normal - got the proof of 117.2.  For a minute I was dreading having to be super careful today. Hopefully there is no issues when they review it.

Well it's Saturday and I am looking forward to a nice weekend. I am feeling very positive about my weight and eating. I really, desperately needed this forced good behaviour, because now i'm on a roll and kind of just knowing what I need to do. Hope you all have a lovely day! 

grannyannie on 01/30/2021:
Scales can be so very temperamental! Good job on reaching goal.

coffee&calories on 01/30/2021:
Thanks Annie!!!

Donkey on 01/30/2021:
My scale does the same thing, sometimes. It almost always - if not always - decides to settle at a higher weight, seldom or never at a lower weight. Grr...

coffee&calories on 01/30/2021:
Yeah I start to wonder if I need a new scale, but it seems like they all do this to some extent. It’s generally okay, but multiple weigh ins can start to fluctuate a bit. So annoying!

horn_of_plenty on 02/01/2021:
Happy weigh in to you!!!!

Is diet bet still going on for awhile??

coffee&calories on 02/01/2021:
Yes it will be going until May :)

Coffee&Calories - Friday Jan 29, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 117.8

 Extremely happy this morning. 117.8 which means I will probably make the goal. Seemed impossible but omg just a little extra effort and there you go. I do still need to eat at a steep deficit today, and then I'll do the weigh on Saturday instead of Sunday just in case my weight bounces back up when I increase my calories. I thought I'd need until Sunday to get it down, but the sooner the better so I don't have this stress on my back.

My plan is to count calories at a reasonable level (1200-1600) and hope I'll slowly lose over February (need to be 115 by the end of Feb which will be 2.5 lbs down, not the 1.5 I thought it was). I'll only do the partial fast at the end of the month if absolutely necessary.

I have to say, if it wasn't for the Diet Bet, I would never do this to myself lol. Losing weight is HARD. Self induced famine is certainly not for the weak, and it's no wonder I couldn't do it the past couple years. I'm just not a very disciplined person. I needed the incentive. 

So far black coffee like every other morning. I bought four boxes of Starbucks dark roast coffee's. Sumatra, Italian roast, French toast and Verona. On sale but still expensive at $6.99 a box of 10 but told myself since I'm not really snacking, I can thoroughly enjoy my coffee. 

Busy day, stressful too. I thought I'd cave but didn't. Didn't do as good as I hoped but came in around 1000-1100. I'll prob need to do the official weigh in on Sunday as I highly doubt I'll be at goal tomorrow. They give a two day window. 


Jacky82020 on 01/29/2021:
Are you buying the pods? I grind beans everyday. Used Starbucks for years, but switched to FreshRoastedCoffee. Can’t tell the difference and costs less. The after Xmas Starbucks coffee sale was once the highlight of my year. Bought enough to last the entire year. Now wait for when the other company has their annual dale and buy enough 5 pd bags to last the year. They easily keep in the unopened sealed bags. Discussed this with the roasting company. Sumatra is one of my favorites! I prefer medium roasts.

coffee&calories on 01/29/2021:
Yes these are the pods! I tried to buy the bags to make a pot, but I just don’t enjoy it as much and found we wasted it. I kinda like just making a single cup fresh whenever I want it. Then I might have another a few hrs later. I try to find great deals on pods and stock up like you, and supplement Starbucks here and there. My husband is not frugal like me and just buys it at any price which usually annoys me lol I like to spend under 0.50 cents per pod, usually 0.30, but Starbucks I’ll go with 0.70 per pod. Where did you find the fresh roasting company? I’m sure it’s excellent quality and worth looking into. I’m assuming it’s local though? Or ordered online?

Donkey on 01/29/2021:
This is how I look at the money you've spent on the coffee. First, it's quality coffee, so right there it's worth it. Second, it's an investment in yourself and your goals. For example, if I wanted to learn yoga, it would not be foolish to invest some money in a mat. Oh sure, I could do it on the carpet (if we had any in the house), but it's not the same. Third, it's a tool that you are using to achieve your goal. Fourth, the coffee can be enjoyed by others or used at a different time for a different purpose (e.g. serving coffee to company). So the coffee will not go to waste. In my book, this is a WIN.

Very happy to hear about your success!

coffee&calories on 01/29/2021:
Thank you Donkey and absolutely love your take on my coffee buying :-) It really does make me happy in a weird way. And it almost symbolizes my efforts and success.

grannyannie on 01/29/2021:
Yes, enjoy your coffee! Zero calories.

coffee&calories on 01/29/2021:
Thanks Annie!!! It’s my fav way to unwind at all times of the day. The only hard part is I really wants some carbs with it midday!

Jacky82020 on 01/29/2021:
Never could drink coffee black. Add chocolate protein drink. Takes edge off my appetite & tastes good. Add sugar free syrup sometimes. Love the caramel & peppermint ones.

coffee&calories on 01/29/2021:
That’s a good idea. Do you add protein powder and mix it in?

horn_of_plenty on 01/29/2021:
Sounds like Diet Bet is all the motivation for you!

coffee&calories on 01/29/2021:
It’s definitely forcing me to try harder haha

Maria7 on 01/29/2021:
That's not too expensive for coffee. Especially when it is helping you achieve your goal and congratulations to you on your new lower number! Smiles.

coffee&calories on 01/29/2021:
Thank you Maria! <3

Jacky82020 on 01/29/2021:
No, I pour liquid protein drink into the coffee.

coffee&calories on 01/29/2021:
I’ll try this, thanks!

Jacky82020 on 01/29/2021:
I use freshroastedcoffee.com Order online. Not sure how I discovered them. Like the 5 pd. Bags!

coffee&calories on 01/30/2021:
I'll check into this. Wonder if they ship to Canada. Excited!

bearcountrygg on 01/29/2021:
Well...yeah for diet bet! Whatever motivates you.

Jacky82020 on 01/31/2021:
Oh, I didn’t know you were in Canada, never been there, but saw the shore when we visited Niagara Falls. Or think I did, it’s been years.

Coffee&Calories - Thursday Jan 28, 2021
(Calorie Counting)
Weight: 119.4

Not a good start to my day, weigh in was 119.4 then 119.8. Most consistent at 119.8 which isn't boding too well for Sundays official weigh in. In addition to sleeping poorly (kid woke me up) and then I took a little sleep medicine, because otherwise I don't go back to sleep for hours, at which point its morning. So partially groggy, partially annoyed by weigh in, made for a grouchy morning. But I steeled myself, and am just trying to have a partial fasting day. Maybe I'll finally learn my lesson about procrastinating losing a little weight until last minute. I just know I will feel FANTASTIC if I can start February where I am supposed to be (for my DIet Bet). And these are totally reasonable goals too. Like, in Februrary, for the whole month, I just need to lose 1.5 lbs. 

Anyways, surprisngly going well considering the mood I was when I woke up. 

Black coffee..then tea with stevia...some cottage cheese and then broth. 160 

started to pick randomly..I call those BLTs (bites, licks, tastes)..a little lamb stew I just made, a fat free pudding, couple chips, bite soup, few bites nectarine etc. Feeding my kids makes me also want to snack. Total altogether inc morning 370 currently  

Vitamins (15), stew (20), yogurt 70, took kids with me to school to pick up a package and then went to tim hortons, i got a small black dark roast coffee to try their new one, and timbits for kids, I had a bite of the chocolate and bday cake one (90), then some eggs and avocado (90) 285

Final total if I dont eat anymore 655. WIll be interesting what effect it has on my weight.

been drinking a lot of black coffee, both reg & decaf. I did add some Walden farms vanilla cream 0 cal surpringly not bad. Sorry for any bad grammar or punctuation, I find it happens when I use diet diaries on my phone, and I don't have the time to go back and fix! I think it's more important to just get this down. By the way that's my resolution right now-no more food amnesia I must log on here and quickly make a note!

It seems when I really put my mind to it, I can do it and clearly its all mental because I found this day way easier than when I aim for 1600. It helps to have a group that's totally supportive and not scolding me for doing something "unhealthy". I really appreciate that. This is an anomoly, not something i do everyday.

Maria7 on 01/28/2021:
I drink my coffee black, too. Every calorie counts, doesn't it? So, I carefully weigh out how important something is before I have it, whether something to drink or to eat. One day at a time....

coffee&calories on 01/28/2021:
Yes it totally does. Thank goodness I love black coffee. I do sometimes sweeten it when I’m in the mood for that! I need to learn to weigh these options before I eat rather than regret later

grannyannie on 01/28/2021:
Good luck with your goal! I drink my coffee with just a splash of coconut milk, but I do need a lot more milk in my tea (soy).

coffee&calories on 01/28/2021:
Sometimes that’s just what I need too. A sweet milky coffee can replace the urge for dessert for me sometimes

Jacky82020 on 01/28/2021:
I looked at Diet Bet! Glad it works for many, but cold day in hell before I upload full body pics/videos. I’m an old fashioned bashful girl, I guess.

coffee&calories on 01/28/2021:
Haha I hear you. If it was public no way I would, but this is just to confirm my weight! It is a little weird though lol

coffee&calories on 01/28/2021:
And I’ve never had to do the video thank goodness

coffee&calories on 01/28/2021:
Honestly I’m doing it bc I’ve been super un-disciplined for waaay too long and seemed like the only thing that might kick my butt into gear

bearcountrygg on 01/28/2021:
Diet bet has worked a lot of people.....I know some Weight Watchers that switched to it.....something about losing that money...LOL

coffee&calories on 01/28/2021:
Yes exactly! I read that people don’t care so much to win, but gosh darn don’t want to LOSE it.

Jacky82020 on 01/28/2021:
Lol. I’d fast all month for $5.

coffee&calories on 01/28/2021:
Hahaha I know right

Horn_of_plenty on 01/28/2021:
i hadn't realized it before, but that makes you the "youngest" one here....i'm 38 already...39 in september coming!

coffee&calories on 01/29/2021:
I am right behind you...38 in August!

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